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dpack

Joined: 02 Jul 2005
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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 24 1:17 pm Post subject: how not to part x

since the house over the alley got a makeover with altered rooflines, loft rooms and an extended flat top downstairs

.....

this is the 7th set of scaff since it was first "done" about 5 yrs ago

it is on the second kitchen, the first drowned. no idea what the problem is this time

ps the pipe issue under the nice new floor was messy, nowt like the leaks from outside

pps i wonder what the steelwork is like

gz

Joined: 23 Jan 2009
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Location: Ayrshire, Scotland

Posted: Tue Jan 23, 24 1:58 pm Post subject:
I always wonder about the wisdom of putting pipes under solid floors....

dpack

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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 24 2:38 pm Post subject:
old man suggests find a better route

NorthernMonkeyGirl

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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 24 5:14 pm Post subject:

gz wrote:

I always wonder about the wisdom of putting pipes under solid floors....

Not quite as bad, but I'm ripping out a load of panelling that's boxed in pipes. Because I know there are bends and joins in there, and I want to see any problem as soon as it happens.

dpack

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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 24 5:52 pm Post subject:
i am rather minded towards beautiful surface mounting tubes and ducts can be pretty, services are safe and easy to access not long back i was chatting with a listed building plumber, both of us thought pretty surface work for wires and pipes was the best way to continue to use and respect a building done well run it round the walls, floors and ceilings, rather than in them has lots of merit

dpack

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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 24 5:54 pm Post subject:
ps it looks like a roofline set of scaff, so i guess it is still leaking by design

NorthernMonkeyGirl

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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 24 10:12 pm Post subject:

dpack wrote:

i am rather minded towards beautiful surface mounting

tubes and ducts can be pretty, services are safe and easy to access

not long back i was chatting with a listed building plumber, both of us thought pretty surface work for wires and pipes was the best way to continue to use and respect a building

done well run it round the walls, floors and ceilings, rather than in them has lots of merit

I find beauty in function, sometimes. I love some nice copper round the place!
Depending what's under the panels, I'll either paint everything white to blend in, or go primary colours like some sort of Mario level. https://images.app.goo.gl/gc7MDmwXknyqThTv5

sean
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Posted: Wed Jan 24, 24 12:06 am Post subject:
Panelling? At some point an absolute fwit plastered over a load of our piping.

jema
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Posted: Wed Jan 24, 24 7:35 am Post subject:
We've just had a tonne of limescale blast from the upstairs loo soil pipe. There are four 90 degree over probably about 7 metres of barely inclined pipe before is gets to the down part

Mistress Rose

Joined: 21 Jul 2011
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Posted: Wed Jan 24, 24 8:05 am Post subject:
If pipes are done properly they can look all right. Husband redid his parents bathroom years ago now and all the pipes were vertical, horizontal and at right angles everywhere so looked good. SIL had hers done by her BIL who wasn't a craftsman and they were anything but neat so looked horrid.

NorthernMonkeyGirl

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Posted: Wed Jan 24, 24 10:11 pm Post subject:

The bit I don't understand - this panelling is in the downstairs loo, on the long wall. It covers the washing machine drainage pipe that pops through from the kitchen (...no, I don't know why...), and the drainage from the little toilet sink on the short wall.
On the little sink's wall, the pipes for both taps and all the sink gubbins is on full show.
On the ceiling is the pipes for the little taps, plus several more that go through to the kitchen then upstairs.
But the piece de resistance, the opposite little wall with the loo itself on...
The soil pipe itself, floor to ceiling. The drains from behind the panel. The drains from the kitchen sink. The pipes to and from all the other taps in the house. At least one more that I'm not sure of.

So in the midst off this plumbing spaghetti, why panel the longest wall with the fewest pipes??

NorthernMonkeyGirl

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Posted: Wed Jan 24, 24 10:11 pm Post subject:

sean wrote:

Panelling? At some point an absolute fwit plastered over a load of our piping.

Mistress Rose

Joined: 21 Jul 2011
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Posted: Thu Jan 25, 24 7:19 am Post subject:
'Ours not to reason why....' sounds a good explanation there. Unless they started with the area of least resistance and gave up.

dpack

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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 24 10:46 am Post subject:

time passed, a mr man got on the ridge

4th try iirc

at the mo he is dismantling a terrible job involving bad method and distressing mortar holding the ridge tiles(more crackling than a well roasted old spot)

only try 5 on the roof aspects of its remedial works

(3 so far on the flat bits)

looking at it, the top ridge is a simple issue, the spur and flank ridges need mending as well which leads to the wrong type of tiles and fixings for the pitches involved(and cheap dissolving tiles/slipping)

the Tudor style sags to new rooflines might indicate a few much more basic issues under the skin

(they do, the trusses do not fit the original or new shape, so the mismatch has had assorted"mends")

if i had been asked to fix it from what it is now, my first question would be can i strip it back to whatever is left of the original building if needs be?
who will pay would be second, where do we put the crane? would be at three

the nightmare on dale crescent is a decent tv show title pitch, no fun if it is your home
i feel really sorry for her

Mistress Rose

Joined: 21 Jul 2011
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Posted: Fri Feb 02, 24 9:28 am Post subject:

Yes, very sorry for the house owner. We had the roof of our first house reslated while we were there; about 100 years after it was put up, and the place wasn't to the highest level of workmanship. Gullies always have the potential to cause problems but ridges shouldn't be a problem. From your description it does sound as if a real bodge or bodged jobs were done on this roof over the last few years.

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