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Ty Gwyn

Joined: 22 Sep 2010
Posts: 4612
Location: Lampeter

Posted: Sat Oct 02, 21 1:40 pm Post subject:
They used to pour it on the ground neat,it soon goes in.

Mistress Rose

Joined: 21 Jul 2011
Posts: 15950

Posted: Sun Oct 03, 21 8:18 am Post subject:
We used to sell blood, fish and bone fertiliser when I helped at our works gardening club years ago. There was always a distinct aroma to the garage we used at the back of the site.

sgt.colon

Joined: 27 Jul 2009
Posts: 7380
Location: Just south of north.

Posted: Sun Oct 03, 21 12:40 pm Post subject:
Thanks peeps. I've got some BFB in the shed, so I'll sprinkle some around. How many times a year should I do this? I've hold on of the self sacrifice at this point and see how the BFB does.

dpack

Joined: 02 Jul 2005
Posts: 46192
Location: yes

Posted: Mon Oct 04, 21 12:00 pm Post subject:

when is difficult

Samaine and Beltane are traditional, but the local conditions and weather pattern require a bit of tweaking

the autumn one needs to mature for spring without leaching and the spring one needs to mature before summer

BFB is a complex one to use direct, stuff detail go for traditional

wassailing might have been a yule blood feast for the trees, so a 3 part approach might cover it

i half suspect if you are fed up of black pud and fancy some wine, cider or jam spare blood at any time of year is helpful

sgt.colon

Joined: 27 Jul 2009
Posts: 7380
Location: Just south of north.

Posted: Sun Oct 10, 21 9:18 am Post subject:
Here you go DPack, the other end of the vine. I am very pleased with it as I did think it had maybe died over last winter. Also, does anyone know what has happened to my leeks? Thanks.

Ty Gwyn

Joined: 22 Sep 2010
Posts: 4612
Location: Lampeter

Posted: Sun Oct 10, 21 10:20 am Post subject:
Look`s as though they needed more of a leak.

dpack

Joined: 02 Jul 2005
Posts: 46192
Location: yes

Posted: Sun Oct 10, 21 10:22 am Post subject:
too dry? something eating the roots? infection? they dont look well, whatever it is the vine looks splendid, they usually seem dead in the winter, if they sprout they were faking it.

Slim

Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Posts: 6612
Location: New England (In the US of A)

Posted: Sun Oct 10, 21 11:01 am Post subject:
Your photo isn't close enough for me to see well, but the first thing I would rule out is leek moth.

dpack

Joined: 02 Jul 2005
Posts: 46192
Location: yes

Posted: Sun Oct 10, 21 12:36 pm Post subject:
weevils was tt's first thought, they were my second one the damage is similar to weevils under chives dig and sieve and show might help ps weevils can be controlled with nematodes if they are the problem

Mistress Rose

Joined: 21 Jul 2011
Posts: 15950

Posted: Mon Oct 11, 21 8:09 am Post subject:
Don't know about the leeks, but the vine looks good. I see you have it trained along the ridge of the greenhouse with the struts below it, so that should keep it in place. They do look very dead in winter; that is the time to prune, while the sap is down. After that, pinch out excess growth when it is young to avoid bleeding.

sgt.colon

Joined: 27 Jul 2009
Posts: 7380
Location: Just south of north.

Posted: Mon Oct 11, 21 9:36 am Post subject:
Thanks on the leek info peeps. I'll give some soil a sieve and report back. Are they still edible or should I bin them all? MR, thanks, I'm pleased with how well it has done. On the cutting back, do I cut it right back to the stems outside of the greenhouse or just give it a light haircut?

gz

Joined: 23 Jan 2009
Posts: 8896
Location: Ayrshire, Scotland

Posted: Mon Oct 11, 21 6:00 pm Post subject:
Definitely leek moth. As far as I know, start on a clean site, grow under fine mesh and make sure that it is always clear of the leaves, however tall they grow. It has been gradually moving North over the years, not sure how far it has got now.

Mistress Rose

Joined: 21 Jul 2011
Posts: 15950

Posted: Tue Oct 12, 21 6:51 am Post subject:

Cut back to the main stem however long that is. If it gets too long you can just trim the end, but that is where your side shoots which will bear fruit will come from. Eventually it will get quite thick and woody. There are other ways of training vines, but for a home sized greenhouse that works well as it doesn't shade other things lower down.

I am picking fruit from mine now. Quite small, but good flavour. Have lost some where the skin has split, and mould got in, but with a wetter summer this year and quite a lot of fruit thinning, it has done a lot better.

sgt.colon

Joined: 27 Jul 2009
Posts: 7380
Location: Just south of north.

Posted: Tue Oct 12, 21 9:30 am Post subject:
Thank you GZ. I'll take better precautions new year. Thank you as well MR. Another question, sorry. One of the main shoots comes in through the glass and then splits in to 4. So should I cut it right back to where it splits in to 4?

Mistress Rose

Joined: 21 Jul 2011
Posts: 15950

Posted: Wed Oct 13, 21 7:42 am Post subject:
Can you put up a picture of it? I think it will depend on how you want to train the vine, but without seeing it I can't really offer advice. If you can't perhaps give a full description of the stems from the point it enters the greenhouse.

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