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Tavascarow
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| Rob R wrote: |
Whilst I agree, in principle, to the meaning of the petition, I can't help thinking that it is a complete waste of time due to the simplistic wording - it basically says that we don't want it, and they'll be looking for evidence behind any challenge to the derogation.
The government have to weigh it up, not just against Sygenta's profits but also those of UK growers, consumers and food security, so I fear it is not sending out a robust message. |
The proof has been available for some time as the links I've posted in the past shows, many scientific studies now show the impact neonics have on pollinators.
As to food security, a large proportion of what we eat is dependent upon wild & domestic bees as pollinators. We aren't just talking about a few species of insect that have little or no impact on the ecosystem but a group that we are completely reliant upon.
Einstein summed it up.
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Rob R
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Hang on, you're completely mis-interpretting what I've said, you don't need to convince me - but the petition doesn't say anything new (or actually anything at all), yet Sygenta have the new report and losses they can prove if it isn't allowed. David Cameron isn't going to come on DS & look up your past posts (as far as I can see from the petition there's nothing to link this petition to any past information).
If it was that easy, doing my job wouldn't be like ****ing into the wind. It's easy to get a quick electronic sig, but what you really need to back this up is mass economic action, ie people not using treated or undisclosed crops in their daily lives, but I'm pretty certain in guessing that 99% of the people signing this will not do that. It's trying to draw together a disparate group with a short, simple description, but I think they'll see straight through that as soon as they see it. |
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dpack
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Tavascarow
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| Rob R wrote: |
Hang on, you're completely mis-interpretting what I've said, you don't need to convince me - but the petition doesn't say anything new (or actually anything at all), yet Sygenta have the new report and losses they can prove if it isn't allowed. David Cameron isn't going to come on DS & look up your past posts (as far as I can see from the petition there's nothing to link this petition to any past information).
If it was that easy, doing my job wouldn't be like ****ing into the wind. It's easy to get a quick electronic sig, but what you really need to back this up is mass economic action, ie people not using treated or undisclosed crops in their daily lives, but I'm pretty certain in guessing that 99% of the people signing this will not do that. It's trying to draw together a disparate group with a short, simple description, but I think they'll see straight through that as soon as they see it. |
The proof has already been submitted to the government, by individuals, concerned organisations like bug life & the soil association & by the EU as well. They are just choosing to ignore it & as always suck up to big business.
As to economic action the only sure way to avoid neonics is buy organic.
Nearly all oil seed rape, much of the maize & a fair proportion of the sugar beet grown in this country used to come from seed treated with them (pre ban).
You know how prevalent those three crops are in the national diet. |
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Rob R
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Tavascarow
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