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Treacodactyl Downsizer Moderator
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tahir
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tahir
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Treacodactyl Downsizer Moderator
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nettie
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tahir
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wellington womble
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Treacodactyl Downsizer Moderator
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cab
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Posted: Sun Jan 09, 05 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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Lots of herbs fit the bill. Mint, lemon balm, some of the woody herbs like rosemary and sage, etc.
There are various perpetual spinachh type plants that I've yet to play with; I gather they're a sod if you change your mind.
Dandelion, daisy, chickweed, ground elder, and many other weeds are as good as ineradicable, and great eating.
And, of course, there are -always- snails, at least in my garden! |
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tahir
Joined: 28 Oct 2004 Posts: 45661 Location: Essex
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cab
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Sarah D
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Posted: Sun Jan 09, 05 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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Sea kale is another true perennial vegetable, as is the runner bean in truth.; cardoon, tree tomatoes another couple.
Permaculture, as well as looking for perennial fruit and veg, is about planting in layers - from topfruit and nuts, underplanted by shrubs, then surface vegetables and roots on the bottom layer. Another feature is its great use of mulches, both on existing beds and to bring new ground into cultivation; then there is the zoning, which takes into account the number of times the plant has to be visited and its maintenance ie the fewer times you visit it eg an apple tree, the further from the house it is planted. For crops you would pick/harvest every day, they are planted in zone 1 which is the nearest to the house for frequent use. Forest gardening (vis. Robert A J de Hart) is another aspect worth looking into. |
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Treacodactyl Downsizer Moderator
Joined: 28 Oct 2004 Posts: 25795 Location: Jumping on the bandwagon of opportunism
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Sarah D
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Posted: Sun Jan 09, 05 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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Sea Kale is a great idea, it has been on the list but forgotten a little. Bugs will be pleased. How long does it need to grow before cutting and can it be eaten unbalanced? Tree toms also tempting.
I find permaculture fascinating as it's not something I've come across until recently, but it seems to match many of my ideas. I will find out some more and I'd like to know does it also encompass animals?
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Sea kale is easy to raise from seed (I've done it), but is extremely susceptible to slugs and snails (happened to mine ). Sow in March/April time in the ground, and leave there for a couple of seasons to build up strength (it is blanched for harvesting, so needs to build up its strength before the first cut), then planted into its permanent position.
What do you mean by "eaten unbalanced"?
Permaculture does/can encompass animals; again, the ones that need daily or more than daily attention going near the house (eg hens) and those which require less attention (eg sheep, cows) go out in the zones further from the house. Zones are numbered, with 1 being closest to the house. Some permaculturists classify the human as Zone Zero. The movement was started by Bill Mollison in Australia, and books written by him tend to be especially suited to their climate, etc, but there are still a lot of useful and inspiring ideas to be had from them. One of the British permaculture gurus is a man called Graham Bell; I think he is based in the Borders somewhere. |
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Tristan
Joined: 29 Dec 2004 Posts: 392 Location: North Gloucestershire
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